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Tell me again why you don't think you need to edit your work.

NO ONE GETS IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME!

Edit that shit.
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Aussie-Necko Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Looks a lot like my outlines and annotations.
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Fafenheir Featured By Owner Aug 30, 2013
Wait, you mean there are people out there that don't edit AT ALL? And post it?
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raspil Featured By Owner Aug 30, 2013   Writer
are you being facetious?
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Fafenheir Featured By Owner Aug 30, 2013
Actually, no. I'm kind of new to the whole "online writing community" thing. Only recently have I ever HEARD of people writing and posting a first draft as final draft. I just assumed that was something everyone knew was a no-no.
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raspil Featured By Owner Aug 30, 2013   Writer
oh. well yeah, some people do that. they actually think they get it right the first time without editing. it's sad.
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xMotherMoonx Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
:heart: 

I really ought to invest in a printer myself but usually once I finish a poem, that's it until a couple years later. Then I bum and bother someone to let me print out probably a 100 pages worth of crap and then decide partway through the first edit to fuck that and write something new. :faint: That's probably why I'm so fearful of writing prose at times. I'd probably have my entire piece riddled full of red edits :giggle: 

Hmm. Looking at that again, that printer does sound wonderful. All that's left is finding a safe place for it since little man loves wires and stealing my paper :stare:
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Aussie-Necko Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Since I can't print that much due to ink costs, I write all of my prose in a notebook. Then I let it rest for a few days. I come back to it and edit it. Then I let it rest again. When I come back to my prose, I type it onto Google docs making any edits as I type. Then, I let the prose rest again.
When I am ready to post my work on deviantART, I read it and make more edits before finally posting.
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xMotherMoonx Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I miss writing by hand D: I hardly have time for myself with my toddler son running around :giggle:

D:
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Aussie-Necko Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I understand how that is. Believe me. Oh, do I. When they start school you'll have some you time though :3
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xMotherMoonx Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I'd hope so! :giggle:
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raspil Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2013   Writer
my prose is riddled with red edits -- it's how it goes.  no big deal.  it's taking a good thing and making it better.  change your perspective, change your life.
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xMotherMoonx Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Nope, no biggie at all :) 

Just have to get myself used to writing something more :giggle:
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Rakshiel-MoGaidren Featured By Owner Jul 2, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I knew I watched you for a reason. I probably should invest in a printer, and see if my editing process gets any better, or if I should just keep using yWriter and constantly re-reading.
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raspil Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2013   Writer
i've found printing it helps more than staring at a screen. that hurts my eyes after a while and i always feel i'm going to miss something.
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Rakshiel-MoGaidren Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
If I had the cash I'd pick a printer up for $50, but truth be told single income households are not conducive to extra cash floating around. Rent chews up alot around here. Australia is an expensive place to live, even though we have a comparatively high wage
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raspil Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2013   Writer
fair point. i've had my same printer for almost 10 years, thank goodness it was a good one!
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Rakshiel-MoGaidren Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Aye that is a thing to be thankful for. It is part reason why I rely on others' goodwill here as far as intelligent feedback is concerned. I can't catch everything.
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raspil Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2013   Writer
good on you for your self-awareness. if only more could be... we'd have a nice little planet.
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Rakshiel-MoGaidren Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I just get so sick of these generic "This is so cool" even though that is pretty hypocritical of me, I am guilty of the same. However when it warrants enough attention of me to favourite I usually go a bit more in depth. I don't know, I try to give at least ten times more than I get. I am just not whoring myself out like some I have seen here with crappy prose and hundreds of viewers. Rather have one thoughtful comment than a hundred three worders.
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raspil Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2013   Writer
i'm with you on that last part for sure. a hundred "omg i luv this" is pointless to someone without an ego.
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SurrealCachinnation Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013   Writer
I need to invest in a printer... my dad promised me one when I started last semester, but it didn't happen. I think that'll be my first purchase once I get a job. Hard copies make editing so much easier. x_x
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raspil Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013   Writer
before i went to culinary school, i bought one because i'd been using my uncle's printer for years. i picked up a little HP inkjet for like $120. that was the end of 2004. it's still kicking. recommended.

but always, find the printer that isn't just in your price range but that has the cheapest ink. a printer is generally a one-time purchase. you'll need ink at least 3-4 times a year depending on usage.
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SurrealCachinnation Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013   Writer
I'll definitely keep that in mind. I'm pretty sure that's what my parents use (and I used throughout high school).

And YES. God, ink gets expensive.

Thanks for the advice. :D
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SonAmyFan362 Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Professional Writer
Whoa. That's an awful lot of correcting. But, you do make a good point.
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raspil Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013   Writer
no one gets it right the first go-around, no matter how long they've been writing. editing and revision - it's the "work" part of writing, but a simple change of perspective can have it mean it's when we are really super improving what we already might think is pretty good to begin with. it's not that what we write is "wrong", but that we're making it better. who wouldn't want to do that?
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SonAmyFan362 Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Professional Writer
True. You speak very truly.
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raspil Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013   Writer
thank you :D
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SonAmyFan362 Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Professional Writer
You're most welcome! :D!
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ShadowedAcolyte Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013
THIS. THIS. THIS. THIS. THIS.
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raspil Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013   Writer
thank you
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mirz-alt Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2013   General Artist
I have never, ever understood those people who feel they need (or can) get it right on the first try.

Hell, I live by Stephen King's quote: A work is never finished, it's abandoned.

Of course, preferably abandoned after the 5th or 6th edit.
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raspil Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2013   Writer
I have never, ever understood those people who feel they need (or can) get it right on the first try.

my theory? a toxic mix of ego and laziness.
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mirz-alt Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2013   General Artist
I think it's more ego. And youth. Those people should put that unedited story away for 10 years, come back to it and see if they still think it's sterling. :faint:
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raspil Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2013   Writer
totally. but no, they rush to self-publication.
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tiganusi Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Professional
Mine looks very much like that except red text, black edits, and even more edits than that. If I don't do it on paper I find myself contemplating not editing at all and then I cry crimson tears.
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raspil Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013   Writer
i used to also highlight the spots i liked and wanted to keep. what a mess.
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tiganusi Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Professional
highlighting gives me fear-boners.
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raspil Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013   Writer
that is the strangest boner.
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SRSmith Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013   Writer
I don't edit on paper, but that pretty much mimics the mental process I go through when I'm editing on the computer. I also read anything I write in several different text editors so it's visually different as that helps me read more carefully, and I edit over several days so I'm always bringing fresh eyes. Nothing is ever right on the first pass.

Lack of editing is one of my biggest pet peeves, so the evidence above is just proof positive that I like you for all the right reasons.
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raspil Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013   Writer
i have to write it on paper because "mental process?" sheesh, i'd forget all the changes i'd want to make. this way, i don't. you're lucky you can keep it all in your melon. i wish i could, would save a shit ton of money on ink!

thank you for liking me for the right reasons and not just for my tits :thumbsup: :lol:
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SRSmith Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013   Writer
:D
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Lucy-Merriman Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013  Student General Artist
See, I feel like I'm one of those weird people for whom writing the rough draft is the hardest part (well, sometimes). At least it feels hardest, because I'm turning ideas into words and the words don't look like my ideas.

But then once I get a draft down, I'm feel really confident, even as I'm tearing the draft apart, because I actually have a springboard to jump off of. I don't feel like I have to pull something out of thin air, I just have to pull something out of a mess. Which, I dunno. I like better :D.

I rarely print stuff, though. I use Scrivner, or Google Docs, which has a notation feature. I mainly print stuff if I'm actually handing it off to another person, so scripts get printed off a lot because doing a play is more collaborative.
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raspil Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013   Writer
I'm turning ideas into words and the words don't look like my ideas.
how come?

i have to print out my stuff when i edit it; as shown, i fuck up my editing as well. i think if i did it all on the screen, i'd make it worse by missing things that my eye can't see on a screen. i need that tangible line-by-line element that i feel a red pen and paper bring.
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Lucy-Merriman Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013  Student General Artist
That makes sense.

How come? I'm not sure. I mean, sometimes, it really just flows. Like I have a conversation in my head and I'm just transcribing the conversation. But other times, it starts with an image, and I'm not sure how to describe it to evoke what I'm picturing.

Or I have an idea of a concept--a girl who can travel into dead people's minds and relive their last 30 minutes before they die--and maybe an idea of plot--she works for a police investigation team and she's trying to figure out who murdered this guy, while dealing with the psychological effects of dying over and over again--but I don't really know where to start the story. So I make a lot of false beginnings. Inevitably I start it anyway and then in a later revision I might write a whole new introduction, or decide one of the middle scenes is a better place to start from.
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raspil Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013   Writer
But other times, it starts with an image, and I'm not sure how to describe it to evoke what I'm picturing.
maybe you're thinking too hard for the right word? if this is the case, write the general idea down and make a notation later ("this isn't want i want to say but something along those lines.").

I don't really know where to start the story.
begin with drama and end with a moment of change. tattoo that onto your third eye. ;-) all drama has to be is something either over the top emotional, mental, verbal, spiritual, physical, anything related to what it is to be human. where to start? by having something happen that sucks the reader in to your story. that way you can save your middle and save time by not needing a new intro.

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Lucy-Merriman Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013  Student General Artist
That's definitely part of it, word choice. I need to stop pausing in the middle of a sentence to find words when I know I can just re-write them later. Making a notation seems like a good plan.

"begin with drama and end with a moment of change." I like that. I had a teacher who once phrased it, "start with conflict."
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raspil Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013   Writer
"start with conflict" -- yeah, same but different. combine the two? solid gold.
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AmbreeChristineSkye Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2013
That is amazing. None of my long-term work is to the editing stage yet, but I plan on using a similar method for editing.
Do you think that the font should be a factor in editing? I mean that when I'm simply working I tend to leave the font on Times New Roman but I find it...tedious? I'm not sure how to explain, but for me it is helpful if I edit with a different font than I wrote in. I was curious if you had similar experiences or opinions.
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raspil Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013   Writer
I like the wideness (for lack of a better term) of Courier New; I feel I can see things better. This is a first-pass edit where I correct major problems, then I make the changes in the document, print it again using the other side of the paper and do it again. Then I post. That is my method, anything more seems like faffing about.
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AmbreeChristineSkye Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2013
Sounds like an effective method to me. I agree with you on Courier New another font I like to work with is Bookman Old Style, it is also nice and wide (and I like the name. =D)
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